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Arşiv
Arşiv 1 - Adar 3, 2013 Arşiv 1b - Keşkelun, 2012 Arşiv 2 - Sıbate, 2013 Arşiv 3 - Nisane, 2013 Arşiv 4 - Tışrino Verên, 2013 Arşiv 5 - Tışrino Peyên, 2015 Arşiv 6b - Tışrino Verên 2019

Erdemaslancan

Bıra u wayêne, mesaco corên mı rê Erdemaslancani nuşto. Ê nê merdumi heta nıka ebe kopyakerdışi ra ita de iştırakê xo biyê. Wextê mıno ke bi, aşmanê peyênan de mı tenya ğeletanê dey raştkerdışi ra viyarna ra. Verênde ebe mıxtelif nameyan ra kewt cı (Abramoviç, Tadiranscopus, Calanor, Arde, Newos). Nıka zi urşto ra, namê mı (Mirzali2, Mirzali3, Mirzali4 heta Mirzali16 u Mirzali Zazaoğlu uêb.) ra hesabê newey vıraştê. Ez nê naletmey ra endi se vaci? Haşa şıma ra, cayıl u cuhulê zey nê heri koti ra yenê qıdıxê ma de vecinê? Bıra u wayêne, şıma se vanê? -- Mirzali

~ Tiya de bıvênên! Seba mı çı nuşto. No domanek nara dıme endi mıxatebê mı niyo. -- Mirzali

~ Bıra u wayêne, mı seba nê naletmey komiteyê zıwani de gerre darde kerd. Şıma rê zameto, şıma zi gerreyê xo tede vacên. Her kesi rê hurmetê mı esto, wes u war bên!

~ Tiya de zi bıvênên! -- Mirzali

~ Eke Arde (Calanor, Newos) be Erdemaslancani (Abramoviç, Tadiranscopus) ra ciyayê u nê yew kes niyê, çıra ney yewbini sero şonê u şaşiye finê kar? Arde zi zey Erdemi zaf ğelet nuseno. Nê herdımêna zi Zazaki rınd nêzanê. Ebe kopyakerdışi ra khalıkê mı zi şeno çiyê darde kero. Caran ebe nê usıli biyo? Nê domaneki qet xo ra ar nêkenê, qet şari ra nêşermayinê? Eybo, edebo! -- Mirzali

• Dear Managers of Wikipedia,please look at the History of The Community Portal, [[1]] Mirzali closed the community portal for days,(community portal should be open to all users for cooperation) he violated the one of the biggest rules of Wikipedia,all of you are will see it.When I complained him to you are,he opened the community portal again for trick you are!dont believe him please!Just Look at the History of the Community portal here [[2]],and check the dates,You are all will see the fact Arde

What a pathetic guy! This is so ridiculous. Since he can not Zazaisch, he jumps to his puny English. My answer is in any case here. I need not repeat every time. However, it would be better. Here again: Here is a proof of his lies. Because he (Erdemaslancan alias Abramoviç and Tadiranscopus) claimed to be independent of that allegedly Arde (Calanor, Newos). It had every time a good reason why I blocked him. But he ran his foul play on and on. Not to mention his edit war under different IP-numbers. Even worse, he oppened many sockpuppet accounts with my username like Mirzali2, Mirzali3, Mirzali4, Mirzali5, Mirzali6, Mirzali7, Mirzali8, Mirzali10, Mirzali11, Mirzali12, Mirzali13, Mirzali14, Mirzali15, Mirzali16 and Mirzali Zazaoğlu etc. (block logs). I wanted first to settle this issue in our internal community portal among us. However, he has removed my entry and I was insulted by him in Turkish miscellaneous times and he deleted my personal texts from my user page. What is this childish behavior, I wonder? Do you want to let him get away like that? -- Mirzali

Şimdiye kadar sen ve Ardenin arasına girmedim, Bu güne kadar durdum ve bekledim, Bu günden sonra sen mezara girinceye kadar peşindeyim, meta, diq viki, incubator, translatewiki, vs nefes aldığın müddetçe peşinde olacağım. En derinden kinlerimle Erdem aslancan

This guy Erdem aslancan is seriously mentally disturbed. He is a potential danger to society. His morbid threat is following what he has written above in Turkish.

I wasn't ever between you and Arde. Until this day I stopped and waited. From this day until the grave I'm haunting you. I'll chase you at meta, diq.wiki, incubator, translatewiki etc. as long as you get breath. With my most deeply hate, Erdem aslancan.

I wonder, how sick must be someone to think such a thing? Especially since I don't know him personally. He is not in my league. I advise him only, he must be treated psychologically. -- Mirzali

Beni bu tür laflar tınlamıyor hacı, kendi evimdeyim sen veya başka bir kullanıcı beni engellemekten başka elinden ne bok gelebilir ki, Defalarca sana söylüyorum, metadan veya başka bir yerden çıkacak bir sonuç beni ve ardeyi bağlamayacaktır, Sen bu viki terk ettiğin gün bende terk edecem, sen durdukça bende duracam, Senin bu mücadelen benim yaşam kaynağım, Ben gücümü senden alıyorum, en içten nefretsel duygularımı kusarım.Erdem Aslancan

• This is for Mirzali in Zazaki ;

tı kamo Mirzali? tı kamo? Wayêrê Wikipedia Zazaki tı niyo,fam bıke.Tı zaf nêzanayo,tı zaf harayo, u ez fikir kenan ke, tı serê to be Wikipediya werdo.Ema ema,Ez tı teqib kenan,İnca,Wikipedia seba to mınasib niyo,fekê to zaf zaf piso,tı veng u varit qısey keno.Be haştiye ya zi be lecê,incay terk bıkê!Ek tı xêyr ra fam nêkeno,be zaruret,tı do incay biterkê..fam bıkê. (Dear Managers you all see I know Zazaki,Mirzal is lying and wants to trick you are,dont believe him please) Arde

Supposedly, if someone knew how many grammatical and spelling errors it contains. Not to mention the phrases and sentence structures of which he has no idea. -- Mirzali

Mirzali kusura bakma ,Ben gerçek Zazacayla konuşuyorum,senini gibi gerçek Zazacanın yandan yemişi,dejenere olmuş kuzey Zazacası ile konuşmuyorum bu yüzden benim yazdigim Zazacayi anlayamaman ve sorun bulman cok normal,zaten istesen de anlayamazsin IQ problemi var sende.Sana diyecegim su dur ki bunu da iyice belle,iki cihan bir araya gelse de sen bu vikiden gideceksin tamam mi,burada kurdugun kralliginin son gunlerini yasiyorsun,iyi gecir.Arde

• This is for Managers;

Dear Managers,i will say to you are just one thing,please check the pages which ones I wrote in here [[3]] you are all will see the fact! You all see Mirzali here insults Erdemaslancan and me,he saying he must be treated psychologically,potential danger to society,he is mentally disturbed,he is writing with his puny english,they are pathetic guys and also he in Zazaki insults us,these ones are what Mirzali wrote,against to Human rights,and rules of Wikipedia,Mirzali is so rude to all people,he is acting just like a despot.this is really disagreeable for Wikipedia,Wikipedia is a reputable encyclopedia.I would like that,Mirzali should be removed from Wikipedia/this prestigious encyclopedia.You are all see who talking about facts,who lies,decision is yours.) Arde

What a child rummaging. Since you can only shake your head. The One is not better than the other. If there ever is another in reality. Our future is unfortunately dark, when we have to do every time with such pubescent children. In other wikis work hundreds if not thousands of people together. Such ill children make the life difficult for us. -- Mirzali

Mirzali's insults are really sickening,Im talking about that what he saying us in Zazaki language.If someone would know that what he saying us in Zazaki language,really that person would be puking now. Arde

This mentally disturbed person (Erdem Aslancan) uses an illegal method, to give force to his lies. He violates any rules of wiki projects. He needs to be banned from everywhere, because he's just a culprit and no reliable person. Here he asks strangers to testify against me. These people who have previously voted against me. But they are unknown to me and have nothing to do with Zazaki Wikipedia. -- Mirzali

Ya neyin derdindesin anlamıyorum seni, oraya buraya şikayet ederek nereye varmayı düşünüyorsun, Bütün viki projelerinde erdemaslancan kullanıcı adının silsinler ne işe yarayacak, tadiranscopusu da silsinler, abramoviçi de silsinler, umrumda bile olmaz. O kadar çok kullanıcı adım var ki sen her ne yapacaksan ve her ne yapmak istiyorsan yap beni zerre kadar tınlamaz, Şikayet ederken de edebinle muhalefet et, Hakaret küfür etmeler olursa cümlelerinde, bende ağzımı bozarım. Diğer bir husus ise ne yaparsan yap boşuna, bir kaç güne kadar sana büyük bir sürprizim var.

Takabeg's opinion and proposal

• According to Check User Information at Meta, Karber:Calanor (sockpuppets of Karber:Calanor = Karber:Arde and Karber:Newos, possibly Karber:Calanor and Karber:Arde are not same person.) Karber:Arde, Karber:Newos (I'm sure that this use should be a sock of Karber:Arde) are not the sockpuppet of Karber:Erdemaslancan. However there is common point among all users. Every user doesn't insert a space after punctuation.
• The first block of Karber:Calanor (on 26 May 2012) had been done without valid reason. Because Karber:Calanor didn't have any other accounts at the time (at least there is no evidence of proof).
• After this first blocking, Karber:Calanor created his/her sockpuppet Karber:Arde.
• After fourth block of Karber:Arde (on 27 September 2012), he/she created Karber:Newos.
• Karber:Calanor = Karber:Arde = Karber:Newos abused policy on multiple accounts in meta on 28 September 2012.
• Karber:Mirzali made serious mistake when he blocked Karber:Calanor on 26 May 2012. He had to request chek user at Meta before he blocked Karber:Calanor but he neglected this necessary process. Moreover and surprisingly, Karber:Calanor have never been alerted before he was blocked.
• Karber:Calanor also made serious mistake. Although he/she could have to request check user at Meta to vindicate himself/herself, he/she preferred to create sock-account (Karber:Arde).
• Karber:Calanor has to be unblocked, because the orininal reason of blocking Karber:Calanor is not valid. Karber:Arde and Karber:Newos have to be blocked with an expiry time of indefinitely, because of abusing multiple accounts.

Takabeg (mesac) 04:20, 23 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Karber:Mirzali had shown these edits by Karber:Tadiranscopus on the user page of Karber:Calanor with his comment "Here is a proof of his lies.". But this cannot be accepted as a proof of his lies. It's the similar to these edits by Karber:Mirzali on the user page of Karber:Newera. These edits cannot be accepted as the proof of sockpuppetry of Karber:Mirzali and Karber:Newera. In spite of this edit by Karber:Tadiranscopus on the user page of Karber:Addihockey10, Karber:Addihockey10 is not the sock of Karber:Tadiranscopus. In spite of these edits by Karber:Mirzali on my user page, I'm not the sock of Karber:Mirzali. Takabeg (mesac) 04:55, 23 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for the removal of sysop access

Those two user didn't contribute for deletions and blocks for more than two years. I think they have no time to contribute for Zazaki Wikipedia and retired. So I propose removing their sysop access (+ Belekvor's 'crat access). When they would return to Zazaki Wikipedia and want to get sysop access, they can request it again. Takabeg (mesac) 22:37, 6 Kanun 2012 (UTC)

Karber:Belekvor

(deletion log, block log)

• Support Takabeg (mesac) 22:37, 6 Kanun 2012 (UTC)
• Support Mirzali (mesac)
• Support Nobody knows, who is Karber:Belekvor. Maybe its Mirzali's another account. Because, he started a request in meta wiki, and Mirzali has just put template with support of Belekvor. But where is Belekvor?—Gomada^peyam 09:49, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Comment Unfortunately, User:Gomada's arguments and claims are not valid. User:Gomada insulted both User:Belekvor and User:Mirzali without sure proof (coincidence of IP address, behavioral resemblance etc.). I recommend User:Gomada to read Assume good faith, Civility, Harrasment again. Takabeg (mesac) 14:42, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Hi, since other activities for Zazaki language (I teach Zazaki to learners, and do research about Zaza culture and also I work...), sometimes I don't have enough time to write articles in Zazaki wikipedia. However, I am going to continue to create time for our Zazaki Wikipedia. Thanks ----Belekvor^{mı rê mesaj bırusne} 18:11, 31 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Karber:Xosere

(deletion log, block log)

• • & per improper unblocking by User:Xosere as follows:
    • 17:36, 9 Şıbat 2013 Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) unblocked User:Gagamen (werênayış | iştıraki)
    • 17:36, 9 Şıbat 2013 Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) unblocked Tadiranscopus (werênayış | iştıraki)
    • 17:36, 9 Şıbat 2013 Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) unblocked User:Ragnarhar (werênayış | iştıraki)
    • 17:36, 9 Şıbat 2013 Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) unblocked User:Zazamental (werênayış | iştıraki)
    • 17:29, 9 Şıbat 2013 Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) unblocked User:Erdemaslancan (werênayış | iştıraki)

• Support Takabeg (mesac) 22:37, 6 Kanun 2012 (UTC)
• Support Mirzali (mesac)

These proposals were requested to meta. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 01:10, 14 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - Indefinite blocking is not a good way to develop this Wikipedia. Therefore, I don't think this Wikipedia should be banning users indefinitely if there is just an disagreement between a sysop and user. I don't see any issue of vandalism here. Xosere (mesac) 05:55, 14 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)Xosere (mesac)

Comment I've explained policies of Wikimedia for Karber:Xosere here. Karber:Erdemaslancan and its sock accounts were proven with Checkuser. If the user apply to the one of the administrators to promise not to repeat his harmful actions, and then the community accepts his application, he can be unblocked. However, its sock accounts cannot be unblocked. Unfortunately, Karber:Xosere doesn't know policies. Takabeg (mesac) 06:36, 14 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Comment Moreover, Xosere had improperly blocked established users: he had blocked Karber:Mirzali (block log) and Karber:Asmen (block log). I think the administrator access of Karber:Xosere had to be removed by stewards and/or Jimbo Wales per Emergency. I think Karber:Xosere's administratorship had dragged and will drag our project into chaos. Takabeg (mesac) 06:36, 14 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I understand you. You want to chase away people, ban accounts, take away user roles. What is your end-goal then? What is this wiki is for? This is a community project. Unfortunately, we do not have a established community here because of anti-user attitude here. And you cannot make these decisions by yourself.

Instead of playing a blaming game, why don't you come up with some ideas about how to make this wiki user friendly and welcoming. Seems like there are only three people active here. So therefore we need to learn how to get along. --Xosere (mesac) 07:14, 14 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Improper blocking/unblocking is committed by all Sysops here. You can just take a look at the logs. So, if I get removed, others sysops must get removed as well. Therefore, we need to make an afford to learn the policies and get along. --Xosere (mesac) 08:26, 14 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

• Comment Is there a policy for sock accounts? If not then you can only treat socks as problematic accounts based on their actions. Do you have a blocking policy and give guidance to admins on what blocks and periods should apply? Is there an impediment to discussing a block duration with fellow admins? To me a redaction request based on the argument that they should have blocked for longer/shorter is not helpful, at the same time undoing some else's blocks without consultation is just plain rude. Difference is okay, progress at different rates is okay, moving in opposite directions is not. Accept some difference, discuss your issues, stop seeing things in just black and white. If you make a mistake, learn from it and apologise. Pig-headedness is not useful to anyone. Billinghurst (mesac) 00:52, 15 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

No we don't have any policy at all. I think that has been one of the major issue for a long time. And unfortunately, blocking/unblocking is greatly abused in this Wikipedia by all sides. --Xosere (mesac) 03:20, 15 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we don't have even en:Wikipedia:Five pillars in Zazaki language (I couldn't find it here). So we always refer to policies of English Wikipedia not to make here a "lawless area". Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 04:11, 15 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

No body followed rules of English Wikipedia either. We don't need to have very complicated rules like the English Wiki has. All we need to agree on some five to ten sentence policy. We don't even have a community here. So let's make some basic rules and move from there. We need to have at least 20 regular contributors to have a viable Wiki. That's my point. If you use blocking policy so ruthlessly, then we will never have a community here. --Xosere (mesac) 05:22, 15 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - Zazaki wikipedia needs an admin who can tolerate to other ideas. At least, we need people who can say another idea not just accept Mirzali's ideas. Mirzali is using Zazaki wikipedia as his kingdom. But there was nobody to stop him. For example, i warned him in 2011 to not damage Zazaki wikipedia, but he just blocked me. Coz he doesnt has tolerance for criticizing of others. But what happened? we just wasted 2 years here. Coz he helped Karber:Erdemaslancan to create more than 10.000 garbage-articles and now he is deleting them, after 2 years he could understand that im right. This is a free project but he decides for all Zazas. Xosere isnt a Zaza either? Why do you tell him to go another project? What does it mean? Mirzali is a good Zaza and Xosere is the bad Zaza now? As Xosere said, nobody follows rules of English Wikipedia here. There isnt a community here, only Mirzali and now Xosere is back, but Mirzali wants to expel him from Zazaki wikipedia. In the past people had same problem with Mirzali, therefore they left the project.—Gomada^peyam 09:49, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Proposal for a blocking policy

• I would like to propose followings for a blocking policy. Please feel free to contribute.

1. Permanent blocking should be only utilized for vandalism.
2. For other issues, only minimal time length blocking option should be utilized.
3. Except for vandalism cases, other blocking issues should be discussed first with the community. We have a small community and we should not easily lose members.

Please put down your proposals so that we can agree on an official policy. Thanks--Xosere (mesac) 03:30, 15 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Report

User:Gomada (Contribution) abused No personal attacks (Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor.) here. I expect that the necessary action will be taken. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 03:39, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

• Support : This is about the Zazaki language itself. It's not about the individual strains and the resulting national affiliation. Not factual, personal attacks with polemical and political accusations are not taken seriously and I will not comment on it too. Zazaki is a separate language and not a dialect of any language x. Mirzali (mesac)

You can not declare a language based on its word elements to a dialect or language influenced by a particular language. (e.g. miyan or werte, both words exist in Zazaki. These are synonyms in one language and are equivalent to each other, regardless of the origin of the words). A language consists of more than just single words, namely phonology, morphology, lexicology, semantics and syntax, etc.

Some people can not form a resonable sentence in Zazaki, but they come up with useless polemical arguments, usually with a political purpose. They are not into Zazaki primarily, but to further their policy intentions. Mirzali (mesac)

• Comment : Since when it is personal attack to show your mistakes to people? i think, that's a clear proof that shows, there is no permission for free ideas in Zazaki wikipedia. It doesnt matter, coz Mirzali had blocked people in the past, he can keep it. That is the situation of a free project(!)—Gomada^peyam 09:11, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose: There is absolutely no merit for blocking Gomada. Please do not take any unilateral action. --Xosere (mesac) 16:25, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Report2

User:Gomada (Contribution) abused Assume good faith, Civility, Harrasment here. I expect that the necessary action will be taken. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 14:29, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

• Support : The two (Xosere and Gomada) make their intentions clear with this. They run a smear campaign against Zaza people. Their Kurdish attitude is not acceptable in the Zazaki Wikipedia. We are concerned primarily about the language and not political views. -- Mirzali (mesac)

@Mirzali: You may have your own views and others may have their own views. This doesn’t mean that you can ban people or tell them leave the project just because they don’t share your views. After all this a community project open to all people from different perspectives. --Xosere (mesac) 19:25, 20 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

@Mirzali; You are not the only Zaza here/in the world, so stop that. You can be againist Kurdishness or Kurds, thats your bussiness, i dont care it and nobody tells you, plz Mirzali, be a Kurd, people live as they feel, so thats your life but stop to decide for other people.—Gomada^peyam 17:38, 20 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

There is no personal attack. Instead of playing blame games, let's focus on some productive initiatives. You cannot tell us to ban every single member. This think is getting to ridiculous level. --Xosere (mesac) 16:23, 19 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

@Takabeg, maybe you try to be funny but Wikipedia is not a game-zone. ;) You know what, you should report yourself, because you put wrong informations to articles (here). Dont worry i will not report you, coz i dont have time to waste with such games and i dont see you as a part of zazaki wikipedia. You cant speak and understand Zazaki. Maybe you will say that, you help to Mirzali to delete the garbage articles but i warned Mirzali in 2011 to not create such garbage articles and no need to waste months to delete them, with a bot, all job could be done at 5 minutes.—Gomada^peyam 17:38, 20 Şıbat 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata phase 1 (language links) coming to this Wikipedia

Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this locally.

Wikidata has been in development for a few months now. It is now time for the roll-out of the first part of it on your Wikipedia. Phase 1 is the support for the management of language links. It is already being used on the Hungarian, Hebrew, Italian and English Wikipedias. The next step is to enable the extension on all other Wikipedias. We have currently planned this for March 6.

What is Wikidata?

Wikidata is a central place to store data that you can usually find in infoboxes. Think of it as something like Wikimedia Commons but for data (like the number of inhabitants of a country or the length of a river) instead of multimedia. The first part of this project (centralizing language links) is being rolled out now. The more fancy things will follow later.

What is going to happen?

Language links in the sidebar are going to come from Wikidata in addition to the ones in the wiki text. To edit them, scroll to the bottom of the language links, and click edit. You no longer need to maintain these links by hand in the wiki text of the article.

Where can I find more information and ask questions?

Editors on en:wp have created a great page with all the necessary information for editors and there is also an FAQ for this deployment. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

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Gomada's personal attack - 3

User:Gomada abused No personal attacks, Assume good faith, Civility here. He/she repeats to abuse same policies. I believe that his/her such behaviors should be stopped. I ask administrators to block him/her at least one day (if you know policies and spirits of Wikipesia projects). Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 12:18, 2 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Which part is personal attack? That you cant think in Zazaki? Can you think? If you dont know a language, how can you do that? Stop to use Zazaki wikipedia as game-zone.This is not turkish wikipedia. You cant decide how Zazaki should be, there are Zaza users. They should decide.—Gomada^peyam 12:35, 2 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Quotation: Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks do not help make a point; they only hurt the Wikipedia community and deter users from helping to create a good encyclopedia. Derogatory comments about other contributors may be removed by any editor. Repeated or egregious personal attacks may lead to blocks. Takabeg (mesac) 12:38, 2 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@Takabeg: Ti hama zazaki fam nikeni û ninuseni, yeni itiya de ma ra vani ezayan bloke biki. Ti kam o? Ena icazet ti ça ra guret? --Xosere (mesac) 20:11, 2 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@Xosere:Zaf spas kena bira. Ez wazena bi Kirdkî binusî, la seba ke no mordem Kirdkî nêzano û tirkî yan zî îngilizkî qise keno, ez zî bi îngilîzkî nusena. @Takabeg: If you are so interested in No personal attacks, Civility or Assume good faith why dont you report Mirzali? He insulted me and User:Xosere here. Lets see your neutrality or you will not care, coz he is praising you?—Gomada^peyam 13:14, 3 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Heqeretê Mirzali yê ke karberan ra kerdê ser (de-adminship of Mirzali)

Voting started on March 6, it was ended on March 15 at 22:00.

Etîya de zaf mordemî wazenê semedê kirdkî wîkîpedî de xebate bikerî, labelê Mirzali tim û tim etîya de ê kesan ra heqeret keno û mordemanê nîyetpakan wîkîpedî ra dûrî visneno. Pê tewir tewir metodan mehdeyê kesan xerepneno. Delîlo peyên zî Mirzali, embazê Xosere, Gomada û Seyidxanî ra qiseyê giranî kerdî. Mirzali waşto ke înan Wîkîpedî ra dûrî bivisno. Pêşnîyazê mi no yo ke wa heqê Mirzali ê îdareyî destê ey ra bêrê girotene. Eke rasta ci wazeno Wîkîpediya kirdkî ra hetkarî bikero wa bi normal karê xo bikero labelê eke wîkîpedî de no qeyde dewam bikero tu averşîyayîşêk ey de nêvirazîyena. Çimkî tîya de keso kes sey ey nêfikrîyeno înan ra hêrîş keno. Sewbîna qodê wikipediya „diq“ gereke sey fekê Dimilkîya muşterek bêro nuştene. La gorayê fekê Dersimî ameyo nuştene. Feydeyê nê çîyan zî Dimilkî ra çîn yo.(xora bi nameyê kiu ra hesabê ey wîkîpedî de esto û Mirzali oca de zî îdarekero) labelê Mirzali gorayê dewa xo kirdkî nuseno. Bi eşkerayo ke Mirzali sere ra nata wîkîpedî de zerar dano kirdkî. Keso ke zerar dano kirdkî o yo.—Gomada^peyam 16:58, 6 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Support Heqê Mirzali ê îdareyî destê ey ra bêrê girotene!—Gomada^peyam 17:00, 6 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Support Mirzali yew alfabeyê şexsi û çekuyanê sîyasî dîkta keno. Kes mecbur niyê sey vînayîşê Mirzalî etîya de binusê. --Xosere (mesac) 18:12, 6 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose I understand Karber:Mirzali's anxiety. Kurdish ethnocentric assimilator approachs to Zaza people, Zazaness, Zaza language are serious and dangerous. We know the fact that some young Zazas under the influence of such kind of Kurdish ethnocentrism. For example, although Karber:Xosere had thought like an unpropagated Zaza people (he/she wrote that Neither Zazaki is Kurdish dialect, nor Zazas are kurds. What you say is totally wrong. You guys are using the same tactics that the Turkish government did. I am really sick of it. ), now this use think like Kurdish ethnocentrists. But we should not accuse them because they are nothing but victims of Kurdish assimilation propaganda against the Zazas (of course, we should not accuse victims of Turkish assimilation propaganda). I recommend Karber:Mirzali to behave more calmly. Moreover, Karber:Mirzali is the only administrator who know policies of Wikipedia at present. Unfortunately other administrators (Karber:Asmen, Karber:Xosere) have to learn policies. Cheers. Takabeg (mesac) 22:54, 6 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Takabeg: what relevance does my ideas from 2007 has anything to do with this discussion? I was a young person and quite ignorant of the issue. If you go seven year back to 2000, then I would see myself a TURK. This is the picture of amazing damage done by Turkish nationalists on Kurdish people. What I consider myself is none of your business. It is my personal understanding. And it is funny that you guys waging a war on the word KIRD. It is just a social reality. That is what people defined themselves for hundreds of year. It exists and it is plain simple like that. And the alphabet issue. The only standard written form accepted is Vate magazine standards. There is no other standards. SO to sum up, you guys cannot dictate an alphabet and some certain words on people. It is not your job. Mirzali doesn't understand any wiki rules. The only thing he does is chasing away members who doesn't like him. If I was not here, he would ban Gomada and Seyidxan permanently in a second. --Xosere (mesac) 00:24, 7 Adare 2013 (UTC)

I quoted your former opinion to help you and other users to understand the fact that political and ideological identity can be changed easily by propaganda. Please read What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. Cheers. Takabeg (mesac) 01:08, 7 Adare 2013 (UTC)

If I embrace your views, than it is not propaganda. Right? You don't even know me. I studied these issues at a top-level university. I have been included in one of the university academic article. My change was slow and stable. Over the years I grew up, matured, and accumulated enough knowledge to realize what is the truth. --Xosere (mesac) 05:15, 7 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Bira Xosere, dont answer him please. He is just trying to change the topic because he doesnt understand Zazaki and due to this he cant understand what we really want. We are discussing Mirzalis sysop abuse here, not ideology of Turkey or others. We will solve this issue first here and then you will report the result in meta wiki. But we will discuss in Zazaki here.—Gomada^peyam 08:55, 7 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@Takabeg; Yes, i was waiting when you will write (: First of all, this is Zazaki wikipedia, if you want to join discussing you will write in Zazaki. We dont discuss in English. You understand Mirzali? He insulted users and its ok for you? Yes, thats good. You dont know Zazaki, so lets help you. He calls Xosere; idiot, traitor, despot, grandson of Yezit etc. He calls me racist, ignorant he insults Seyidxan as well. And now you say, you understands him? Its clear that, we dont need to discuss with you. Look at up, what you said, i want admins to block Gomada! (: You tried to teach us No personal attacks, Assume good faith, Civility. Interesting, this is a clear proof what you try to do. And as i said, i will not answer you anymore in English.Cheers.—Gomada^peyam 23:31, 6 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Karber:Mirzali apologized to Karber:Seyidxan for his incivility. Please stop to try to fall Zazaki Wikipedia into chaos. Even now I think Karber:Gomada should be blocked at least one day because of personal attacks|No personal attacks]], Assume good faith, Civility. If you think Karber:Mirzali abused them, you can start request and ask Karber:Asmen who is the only non-INVOLVED administrator. Takabeg (mesac) 23:54, 6 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose: This is a Zazaki project and not a Kurdish one. My defense against the Kurdish-oriented group of conspirators and what concerns Xosere is as follows:

Xoseres opinions are always changing from year to year. He is very unstable and impressionable. A look at his previous entries will confirm it. That is why an apology towards him is not appropriate because there are findings of fact.
He was virtually absent for over two years (from 03:16, 24 December 2010 to 17:30, 9 February 2013).
Where was he all this time? He appears suddenly as he had fears for his sysop access to lose it.
He abused his admin position to drive edit war (Kird, Aysel Tuğluk, Tarixê Zazayan, Kûran, Çemkan, Şêxan) and used Kurdish alphabet ([4], [5], [6] Archived 2014-09-11 at the Wayback Machine, [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]).
His impersonal comments and threatening remarks on his edits ([12], [13], [14], [15], [16]).

Gomada is his idealistic leader and supporter ([17], [18], [19], [20], [21]).
My statements to Gomada are no accusations or insults. These are simple facts.

Sudden increase in newcomers of Kurdish oriented people (Seyidxan [22], Zerweş Şîn, Azadi [23], Neribij [24]). Probably influenced and encouraged by the two persons.
I have apologized to Seyidxan already.

There is a conspiracy theory against Zazas, which is operated here, is a political assimilation propaganda. The actual Kurds influence our youth in order to misuse them for their own political purposes. In the past they have, for religious reasons, accused Zazaish Alevis as heretics and have killed them because of it. They were not the Turks or the Armenians, but Shafi'i Kurds. For the reason the term "grandchildren of Yezid and Merwan" among us is not meant as an insult, but this designation reflects their miserable history.

Kurds and Kurdish nationalists as George Animal ([25], [26]), Ghybu ([27], [28]), Gomada ([29], [30]), Seyidxan ([31], [32]) etc. have no right to interfere in internal affairs in Zazaki Wikipedia. They should refrain from any interference and misallocation of other people. -- Mirzali (mesac)

If we encouraged those users, that means we have already achieved. Because that is a clear proof that, There are many Zazas who want to contribute here but you dont let them. And stop to change the topic, you abused your sysop rights. You cant insult people and tell them to leave this project. By the way, this is Zazaki wikipedi why are you writing in English? and before i warned you, you and your good friend Takabeg were writing only in Turkish here. Do you really help this project? As i said, many times, dont behave as you are the only Zaza in the world. You cant decide for all. The alphabet that you claimed, is used by the most of Zazas and the most important Zaza group Vate (many important zaza lingusts and authors as Malmîsanij, J. İhsan Espar, Munzur Çem are in this group). Its more than 20 years, they work on a standart Zazaki and they are quite successful. But you are only 1 person and you create your own alphabet here. So, who is more reliable? Btw, stop to insult people, im nobody's leader. Im just a person who wants to help Zazaki. You controlled Zazaki wikipedia more than 5 years but it didnt grow up, because you blocked people or you forced them to leave as you did to Seyidxan. I hope, he will come back. Let Zazas to contribute in their language!.—Gomada^peyam 08:55, 7 Adare 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is not about me. It is about you. It is about you dictating your own political aspirations on people. I have my views and you have your views. You can only respect my views and you cannot dictate your views on me. On the alphabet and standard issue. Only Vate's alphabet and standard is accepted and written extensively. So you cannot make up your own standards and force people. I cannot let that happen. --Xosere (mesac) 07:28, 7 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Support- I think the user and admin Mirzali doesn't answer/fit to the Zazaki Wikipedia because reverses the pages edited by other user who want to contribute to Zazaki Wikipedia.The user Mirzali have removed the link to Commons added by me here.I become convinced that Mirzali is destructive for Zazaki Wikipedia and he wants establish his own realm here.Wikipedia is no a business, but the place of free knowledge!--George Animal (mesac) 16:39, 8 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@About Turkish language: I think this is natural to use Turkish language. As every user knows, the Turkish language is a lingua franca between Zaza people, Turkish people, Kurdish people and Laz people etc. (e.g. SAKINA - Piya Va 38), even among Zaza people (e.g. Sait Ciya - Radio Zaza TV). Which language they speak ? ). in the real world. I believe if users prohibit using Turkish people, this project cannot gain many Zaza users who want to learn Zazaki language. Takabeg (mesac) 22:51, 8 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should just close this Wiki and use the Turkish Wiki. There is no use for this since everybody knows Turkish? Right? I think only Zazaki must be written here. Then this Wiki will really grow. We just need to divide one page for communications other then Zazaki. Just like in the English Wiki. --Xosere (mesac) 05:00, 9 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Support-Ez newe azayê wîkîpedîyaya Dimlî bîya. Ez qayila nûsteyanê Dimlî bizeydna. Labirê Mirzali mi rê mesaj çekerd, va elfabeya bînî ya binûs. Ez ziwanê mino Dimlî weş zana û ez vînena ki tîya di elfabeya çewtî ya nûsenê. Tîya di portalê cemaetî dî û mi nûsteyê uja di estê, ê wend. Dima mi dî ki Mirzali qandê elfabe merdimanî rê heqaret kerdo. Ez posena ki wîkîpedîya di kesî rê heqaret nê bo. Ma pêro qandê ziwandê xo xeptîyem. Ez jî kesê ki Mirzali ci rê heqaret kerdo elfabeya înana nûsena. Wunî aseno ki Mirzali ney ra tepîya mi rê jî heqaret keno. Qaxuyê ma ziwanê ma yo.--Azadi (mesac) 15:04, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Mirzali's 2^nd abuse of adminship

Today, Mirzali has protected my talk page ([33]) and Karber:Neribij's talk page ([34]). We cant contribute there. Its our own talk page, and we have written in Zazaki and English. Where is the freedom in this project? Its clear that, Mirzali is using the advantage of adminship as he wants. Its dangerous for the community to have such admin.—Gomada^peyam 09:28, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Canvassing by Takabeg, he tells Mirzali to block me here. Thats a clear proof of Meatpuppetry.
• Now, Mirzali protected my page ([35]. Mirzali, what are you trying to do? Do you learn abilities of adminship? Does it look like a funny game for you? This is my own page.
• By the way, Karber:Takabeg has said above:Karber:Mirzali is the only administrator who know policies of Wikipedia at present. Seriously?—Gomada^peyam 09:52, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

I think this was a simple fault. As long as I understand, Karber:Mirzali tried to block Karber:Gomada and Karber:Neribij. But he mistakenly protected their user's pages. Karber:Gomada, who are always seeking fault with Karber:Mirzali, now try to trip him up as usual. There is good reason for Karber:Mirzali to block Karber:Gomada per Wikipedia:Blocking_policy, because Karber:Gomada frequently attacks and harasses other users who are working for project. Takabeg (mesac) 10:09, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

But I oppose his blocking Karber:Neribij, because he/she is a newbie. I think Karber:Mirzali had better talk problems over with Karber:Neribij. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 10:13, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@ Gomada: Gomada hergelesi! Senin başka işin gücün yok mu kuzum? Aklınsıra bizleri işlettiğini sanıyorsun, ama yemezler yavrum, daha çok toysun. Kürtçe'yi bile doğru dürüst yazamıyorken, gelip Zazaca'ya sahiplenmen senin üzerine mi vazife oldu?! Git kendi çöplüğünde öt. Polemik yaparak, yalan dolan atıflarla insanlara sataşman sana ve çevrene zarardan başka bir yarar getirmez. Şu bizim iki dirhemlik beyni olan çocuğumuzu da (Xosere'yi) yoldan çıkarıp aklını çelmeyi bırak artık. Sağduyulu, aklı başında birer insan olsaydınız, sizleri de adam yerine koyan birileri olurdu. Sabır da bir yere kadar artık, asabımızı bozmayın. Elinden oyuncağı alınmış çocuk gibi hareket etmeyin. Akıllı ve topluma yararlı olmaya bakın. Beni de kendinize nahoş sözlerle muhattap etmeye zorlamayın. Mirzali (mesac)

@Takabeg; According to your words, you think, you are very objective. So, lets see your reaction againist Mirzali's new insulting in turkish language. Your turkish is very good. Maybe you can translate for us? But if you still think, its normal that Mirzali insults people, then we respect to your opinion.—Gomada^peyam 11:15, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Mirzali's attitude and actions are very disturbing. --Xosere (mesac) 15:50, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Support Merheba embazêno, mi nêwaştêne ke bikewo mîyanê munaqeşeya şima, labelê mi xo mecbur dî ke ez tayê çîyan vajo. Çimkî ewro profîlê mi zî hetê Mîrzalî ra ame girewtene. Dima reyna akerdo û vato ke bi şaşî ana bîyo. Nika embaz Takabeg vano waşto ke şima bloke bikero, la bi şaşî pelê profîlê şima girewto. Eke ana yo, o çax uzrê ci qebehetê ey ra pîlêr beno. Çira, wazeno ke mi bloke bikero? Seba ke mi alfabeya kirdkî gurênaya, coka. La ez bi kamcîn alfabe binusî? Mi xo dîyo, nêdîyo ez her tim bi na alfabe kirdkî nuseno. Alfabeyêka standart a ke hem hetê Grûba Xebate ya Vateyî ra qebûl bîya hem zî bi na alfabe zaf kitabê kirdkî nusîyay, reyna gelek kovar, rojname, web-site na alfabe gurênenê. Ez semedê kesêk alfabeya standarte ca nêverdano û bi alfabeyêka şexsî nênuseno. Eke şima vanî ma alfabeyêka muşterek de pêbikê, beno; la usul no hewa nîyo. Ma şênê na mesela cîya qisey bikerî. La bi zordarî nêbeno.
  Eke sey halê nikayî admînêk biwazo tayê çîyan bi zor bido kerdiş, huzurê tîyayî nêmaneno. Bi rastî ez xora rewna ra zaf çîyan ra serdin bîyo. Çimkî ti çîyêk kenî, ê bînî yenê xerepnenî, yan zî to rê teşxele vejenî. Labelê seba ke wikipedia de derheqê ziwan û kulturê ma de tayê meqaleyê muhîmî kemî asayêne. Mi waşt ke ez nînan binusî yan zî temam bikerî. Mi hem ê kirdaskî de hem ê tirkî de dest bi nuştişî kerd. La mi va, hetanî ez ê cayan de nuseno, gereka ez tewr verî ê zazakî binuso. La teredudê mi bî. Çimkî çend serî verî cu seba ke mi tena persêk pers kerdbi, ez bloke bîbîya. La bi teredut bo zî, mi nuşt. La, malesef reyna mudaxele û munaqeşeyê bîlaheqî vejîyay vernîya mi. Nika ez seba xo vana: Eke admînêko zerrîhîra na ansîklopedî îdare nêkero, eke tena dest û însafê yew merdimî de bimano aver nêşina. Tena bena sey kayêk ke tayê kesî xo bi aye tatmîn bikerê. Mi fikrê xo va, de hinî şima zanî.
  This attitude is disturbing. The admin should have tolerance for users. Neribij (mesac) 19:01, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• oppose vera cı: Embazê delali! Ma gani meselanê şexsiyan u siyasiyan ca verdime, balê xo bıdime ra Zazaki. Wexto ke ma no projey Wikpediya piya na ro, ma taê fıkr u hukmi sero amey bime werê. Ma vat, ze ke İranolociye de ki qebul beno, Zazaki zıwanê do xosero. Ma alfabe sero ki xebera xo kerdi biye jû. Hetta o taw Xosere alfabeyê do şexsi veti bi, vacime Ş, Ç, Ğ zey Tırki nêbi, nuqte u aksani bın de nê, ser de bi. Sebeb ki no bi ke, Xoseri vatêne, 'madem ke Zazaki zıwanê do xosero, o wext alfabey cı ki gani xoser bo, ne bımano ro Tırki, ne ki Kurdki (Kırdaski). Ma vat, nêbeno, çunke klavey mao xoser çıniyo, ma nêşenime ê herfan bıgurenime. Alfabeo ke ma gurenenime, şexsi niyo, şıma ki zanê. Mı sero meqaleyê ki nuşt, ez sempozyumê Zazaki de sero vınderdan, şıma şenê bıwanê. Zıwan sero ki ma vat, ma gani hira bime, hem seba yew standard gaman berzime, hem hetê ra eger ke be fekê xo ra bınusnime, o wext ki tenêna hira bıgêrime ke Zazaê mıntıqanê binan rehet areze bıkerê (fehm kerê). Zazakiyê mao standard sero ki konsept esto. No konsept teza mına doktora ra ki gırêdaeyo. Gurenayışê Vatey çıman ser, labelê Vate jû pêseroka u metodê cı tam ilmi niyê, fıkrê siyasi ki tey ca gênê. İnan miyan de ez heni zanan ke merdumê ilmê zıwanan be diploma çıniyo. Tabii ke xeylê merdumê tecrıbeyıni estê, labelê tenya tecrıbe bes niyo. Hetê ra ki otorite niyê. Alfabey Bedirxani ki Zazaki sero otorite niyo, yew terciho. Ez vanan, madem ke ma sıfte ra qanun u nızamê xo naê ro, gani her kes hurmet bıkero. Ma nêşenime nıka werzime, alfabe bıvurnime ya ki be dı alfaban têyewane/têjüane (paralel) bınusnime. Xora tek ferq ı, i î u ğ dero. Mirzali, fekanê Zazaki gorey xeylê kesan rınd zaneno u çend serrio ki Zazakipediya hewl idare keno. Merdumo ke jû ensiklopediye de ca gêno, gani zıwanê xo ki zehf rınd bızano. --Asmêno Bêwayir (mesac) 00:54, 21 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Mirzali karê xo zehf rınd keno, xeyrê xo mınaqeşanê şexsiyan ra dûri bime, Wikipediya gırd kerime. Xosere be xo çend serran ra aver bıngey standardê ma eşt be xebata xoya etimolociye, ma ae hewna zey kıtab dewam kenime. Yani keso ke wext-wext fıkrê xo vuriyeno. Bıra Xosere, ma hurdımêna ki zanime ke kam wazeno Zazaki be formê xoyê oricinali ra mıhafeze kero. --Omid V. (mesac) 13:58, 21 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Canvassing ?

I suspect that some anti-Zaza users committed crime of "off-line canvassing" (probably Meatpuppetry) , when we compare contribution and synchronized actions of following users:

• Contributions of Karber:Gomada
• Contributions of Karber:Xosere
• Contributions of Karber:George Animal
• Contributions of Karber:Azadi
• Contributions of Karber:Neribij

Takabeg (mesac) 15:24, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@Takabeg, it seems like a game for you. you just play with the list?. Today, you added Neribij to list again. Because, Neribij wrote his/her idea? There are proofs that, you are canvassing, but you want to hide your mistakes with blaming other people. Yes, you are successful ;) —Gomada^peyam 13:36, 17 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Canvassing? Anti-Zaza users? committed crime? I think, you directly attack people here. You know what is funny? Maybe you can tell us, why do you invite users (in turkish language) to Zazaki wikipedia? Here some examples; User:Rapsar, User:Caracas, User:Vitruvian. You have also told user Rapsar to do changes in turkish wikipedia and he has listened to you.here So, who is canvassing in Wikipedia projects? I think, that is a clear reason to be blocked. You claim people as they are canvassing but without proof and actually you are canvassing and using Meatpuppetry. By the way, Karber:Azadi has written for you in turkish that he/she is Zaza and he/she just wants to help his/her language. If you attack people without proof, who can feel good to help this project? As i said before, if users speak Zazaki, they should write in Zazaki language not in turkish, therefore i told Karber:Azadi to write in Zazaki, we understand Zazaki and this is Zazaki wikipedia, we dont need turkish. I hope he/she will write in his/her language.—Gomada^peyam 21:49, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

I simply advised tr:User:Rapsar per NPOV (TBA) & RS (GÜVEN). And I didn't and won't ask him/her to edit. As long as I understand, such policies don't be applied in Kurdish Wikipedia. It is not a shame not to know, it is a shame not to ask. Takabeg (mesac) 22:41, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Good job bira. They are amazing examples. --Xosere (mesac) 06:36, 13 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Ti hewna Dimlî nêzanê qey, qandê coy Îngîlîzî nûsenê. Benim ingilizcem cok iyi degil ama anladigim kadariyla, diger 3 arkadasla birbirimizi tanidigimizi kastetmissin. Eger zazaca anlasaydin, yukarda yeni oldugumu, dilime katkida bulunmak istedigimi anlardin. Lütfen, benim hakkimda yazacaksan anladigim dil de olsun, ama yalan yanlis bilgiler ver me hakkimda. Cünkü ne ben seni taniyorum, ne de sen beni taniyorsun. Beni ve diger kisileri anti-Zaza olarak tanimlamissin. Digerlerini bilemem ama ben kendim Zazayim. Nasil oluyorda, kendi kendime karsi oluyorum. --Azadi (mesac) 18:35, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Birayo/Wayika Azadi, no proceyê Kirdkîyo, kerem ke bi Kirdkî binus. Ma tîya bi Kirdkî qisey kenê.—Gomada^peyam 21:49, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Oh my god! I was so scared that Taka would find our crime and that we are all the same. Hey Taka, why don't you become a policeman. Your talent is wasted here. --Xosere (mesac) 05:49, 13 Adare 2013 (UTC)

@Karber:Xosere: Probably you don't understand difference between Sock Puppetry and Meatpuppetry. Takabeg (mesac) 01:24, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

• These users' common purpose is very clear. It's the Kurdification of Zazaki Wikipedia. Karber:Gomada started to commit harassment by sending templates. Takabeg (mesac) 01:24, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

PS. Cases which you mentioned there are "content disputes" between you and me. Users must not send such templates to the opposite side of the "content dispute". I hope Karber:Gomada stop his attack behavior, accept neutral point of views = stop to introduce ethnocentric POV, try to resolve disputes by constructive ways, learn policies of Wikipedia even a day earlier. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 01:45, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata phase 1 (language links) live on this Wikipedia

Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this locally. If you understand German better than English you can have a look at the announcement on de:Wikipedia:Kurier.

As I annonced 2 weeks ago, Wikidata phase 1 (language links) has been deployed here today. Language links in the sidebar are coming from Wikidata in addition to the ones in the wiki text. To edit them, scroll to the bottom of the language links, and click edit. You no longer need to maintain these links by hand in the wiki text of the article.

Where can I find more information and ask questions? Editors on en:wp have created a great page with all the necessary information for editors and there is also an FAQ for this deployment. It'd be great if you could bring this to this wiki if that has not already happened. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

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Requests for unblock

Karber:Calanor should be unblocked.

This user was blocked with an expiry time of indefinite without evidence on 26 May 2012.

• 07:18, 27 Keşkelun 2012 Mirzali (werênayış | iştıraki) qey Calanor (werênayış | iştıraki)i tarixê qediyayişi ebedi (akerdışê hesabi racneyayo, e-posta biya bloqe, Pela verênayişi ke xo nêşeno bıvurno) pa ninan a eyarê ver-grewtışan vurna. (Yew ra zêde hesaban xırab gurenayış: yew ra ziyed hesaban xırab şuxulnayiş)
• 22:40, 26 Gulane 2012 Mirzali (werênayış | iştıraki) blocked "Calanor (werênayış | iştıraki)" with an expiry time of ebedi (yew ra ziyed hesaban xırab şuxulnayiş)

Takabeg (mesac) 21:52, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Şablon:Done by Karber:Mirzali. In dubio pro reo :) Note: Of course, Blocks should not be punitive. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 14:03, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Şablon:Pela Seri/Fotrafê hefti

• Only images under the license of PD can be used as picture of the day. We mustn't select non-free image(s) as the "picture of this week". Cf. Commons:Category:Featured pictures on Wikimedia Commons. Takabeg (mesac) 22:44, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)

I recommend following images as the "picture of this week": Şablon werênayış:Pela Seri/Fotrafê hefti. Takabeg (mesac) 22:58, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Requests for undeletion

• Dosya:Çeko Kocadağ - Ferheng.jpg (07:15, 27 Şıbat 2013 Karber Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki)' pelay Dosya:Çeko Kocadağ - Ferheng.jpg' besternê (heqe copyayi cini yo.))
  • This image can be used as a "non-free media" with providing reason. Takabeg (mesac) 23:23, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)
• Sankt Peterburg (00:29, 30 Tişrino Peyên 2012 Karber Mirzali (werênayış | iştıraki)' pelay Sankt Peterburg' besternê (content was: '{{Delete|A1. No context: Articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article.}} {{Template:Sûke| native_name = | conventional_long_name = | common_name = | fotraf = Map of Russia - Leningrad Oblast (2008-03).svg| ...'))
  • As long as I can remember, this article was not so short. Takabeg (mesac) 23:23, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)
• Krasnodar (00:19, 30 Tişrino Peyên 2012 Karber Mirzali (werênayış | iştıraki)' pelay Krasnodar' besternê (A1. No context: Articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article.: content was: '{{Template:Suke| native_name = | conventional_long_name = | common_name = | fotraf = Map of Russia - Krasnodar Krai (2008-03).svg| xerita = {{Lo...))
  • As long as I can remember, this article was not so short. Takabeg (mesac) 23:23, 11 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Phonc Ustıni

Could you translate en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Five pillars to Zazaki language (I don't know whether "Phonc Ustıni" is correct or not :)) ? Takabeg (mesac) 15:36, 12 Adare 2013 (UTC)

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Mass copyright violation

As you know, most of all articles in Kategoriye:Kar u Senate, Kategoriye:Kay u Wextravêrdene are works of Koyo Berz. Karber:Xosere claimed that he had got permission of the copyright holder. However there is no evidence of his claim. I recommended him to get permission and send e-mail to OTRS member to confirmation on 20 February 2013. Did Karber:Xosere apply to OTRS ? Takabeg (mesac) 18:43, 14 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead and put deletion tags on Koyo Berz writings. --Xosere (mesac) 19:22, 14 Adare 2013 (UTC)

OK. It's the the best way at present. Articles can be undeleted when somebody would get a permission of the copyright holder (Koyo Berz) in the future. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 01:55, 15 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Embazêno, Nuştanê Koyê Berzi de mesela çıniya; ey nuştey xo ma rê rışti bi ke www.zazaki.de u internet de bıgurenime, biarime kar. --Asmêno Bêwayir (mesac) 00:32, 18 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Bıra Asmên, irtıbatê to be xal Zılfi Selcan, xal Koyo Berz u bıra Faruk İremeti ra esto? Meqaleyanê nê merdumanê mayê qedırşınasan seba ixlalê heqa telifi ra ma gani proce ra vecime, hema ez wazenan ke nê nuşteyê nırğıni wa vini mebê, coke ra mı nê kırışti pela werênayışê dinan. Uca mendışê cı zi mınasıb niyo. Nê sebeb ra zi nuştekarê meqelan gani mısade bıderê ma ke, ma zi seba gurenayışê nayine rê OTRS ra icazet bıgêrime. -- Mirzali

New Topic

Selam Mirzali, Ez Ardeyo.To hesabê mı bloke kerdo,Ez be to qısey kerdene wazıno.Kerem ke,Ez to re rica keno,To hameyê hesabanê mı bloke kerdo,no hesab bloke meke.Ez tena ebe to qıseykerdene wazıno,Nıka tiya qusırê mı ya ji hatayê mı çıniyo.Temam Mı to rê hetay kerdo hama to ji hatay kerdo.Yeni hesap açmaktan bıktım.Hiçbir şey istemiyorum senden sadece konuşmak istiyorum,lütfen ya burdan konuşalım anlaşalım ya da Facebook'taki engelimi kaldır oradan konuşalım. Ackdeals (mesac) 17:58, 22 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Selam. Karber:Arde değil de Karber:Calanor'un engeli kaldırılmıştır. Herhangi yanlışlık var mı ? Takabeg (mesac) 21:33, 22 Adare 2013 (UTC)

El insaf ! Raşta eybo,heyfo.

Ez vano ez Ardeyo,to mı re Karber:Calanor vano.Bana ne Calanordan? Ya,qusır esto.Mı re qısey meke.To mıhatabê mı niyo,mıhatabê mı Mirzaliyo.Ez be Mirzali qıseykerdene wazeno. Mirzali mı re bewne u mı re izahat bıdı ya ji mı re qısey bıke.

CheckUser information. Takabeg (mesac) 21:52, 23 Adare 2013 (UTC)

Ez nezano to kamo.Şo yew doktoro ke psikoloji ra fam keno u tedawi beTakabeg,to re dahana rınd beno.Tiya wezifeye to çıçıyo? Ez qet nezano.Mı re be Zazaki bınuse ya ji mı re qet qısey meke....

Beni Facebook da engelledin Mirzali,bir engel listene göz at.Görürsün,Ez zuri nekeno.

Vandalism by User:Xosere

User:Xosere tagged {{delete|stub}} to some articles (See). As first, I thought that it was caused by his bonehead mistake. As long as I understand, User:Xosere also accept those articles as stub. As we known, There is no reason to delete them speedily. Although I explained policies of Wikipedia and warned him, he didn't stop tagging articles. Now I think his behavior must be considered as vandalism. Thank you. Takabeg (mesac) 08:34, 3 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

At last, User:Xosere deleted Fevzi Çakmak, İsmail Hakkı Karadayı, Kâzım Orbay, Kenan Evren, Cevdet Sunay. Incredible. Takabeg (mesac) 22:54, 3 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism and edit war ist not the right way. The person should enter in dialog with the sysops and come with logic and acceptable arguments. --Asmêno Bêwayir (mesac) 10:45, 5 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

I've explained problems in a massage to Mirzali. However, because Karber:Mirzali entered into the edit wars with Karber:Xosere, he is considered as an INVOLVED admin. In this situation, it's difficult for Karber:Mirzali to block Karber:Xosere, even if Karber:Mirzali wants to prevent further destructive actions of Karber:Xosere. Thank you. 11:29, 5 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

What vandalism what edit-war, are you guys kidding me! Destructive actions and blocking is committed by Mirzali himself. Just look at the discussion above. You guys purposely want to get me kicked out here. Sorry, there are many users who doesn't agree with you. And I have a very strong support from these users. I am not going to let you guys dictate your own personal alphabet on others. I am provide the balance here and I protect those users who doesn't agree with you. I have a very important purpose here. --Xosere (mesac) 13:07, 5 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

A dictionary should be a little bit more earnest and scientific and not populistic and politic. We are using an alphabet created by linguists and Zaza authors. Trying to impose an alphabet from another language is a dictation. Bedirxam himself didn't classify Zazaki as Kurdish and he didn't make a research about the Zaza-Language. Insisting on writing Zazaki with Kurmanci-Kurdish alphabet is only a political decision and behaviour. So please don't come with political arguments. --Asmêno Bêwayir (mesac) 12:38, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

Look, I read and heard about your ideas many many times. I don't agree with you. There are hundreds of books written and many periodical written in the Vate Standards. You, Zazacilar, people do not have any alphabet or standards. You guys use many different alphabets. I don't care with what you guys do. I represent the other side here. And for me it the top priority that those people will have welcoming place here. You guys cannot impose your personal will here. --Xosere (mesac) 17:52, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

@Asmen, it seems like you really dont want to solve any problem. You just want to dictate your own alphabet. Dont forget, you are not the only person who studied in the world! You always come with politic arguments. Look at your people, what they want!? (User:Belekvor suggested to use both alphabets, coz he can see the reality of Bedirxan's alphabet) How many people follow you? On one side, Vate is most active Zazaki group. Look at statistics of Vate. Thanks to Vate and its projects, Zazas protect their language. 90 % of Zazaki literature is created by Vate. On other side, there is your way and Zülfü Selcan's way. How do you think to unite Zazas? You will keep to dictate your own rules or will you work for future of your language? You keep that for several years. What changed? The problem is not classify Zazaki as Kurdish or not. The problem is, you are aganist most of Zazas. Nobody can force you, how you should feel yourself and your identity, but at same time you cant force anybody, either! And im bored of that, because of 1 person all community speaks in turkish or english. When will you start to help your language?--—Gomada^peyam 13:07, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

@Gomada. Sorry, who are you, do we know each other? Do you have enough profound knowledge of that what you are talking about? Why are you always misinterpreting the facts? First of all, it is NOT MY OWN alphabet, it ist the one who was created by Ware and Jacobson as a result of Zazaki seminars, surveys and field reserches close to the Zaza authors and new Zazaki readers. I never claimed beeing the only studied man; I would be very proud to see linguistics studied Zazas. Which of my arguments are politic? Belekvor is a very tolerant friend of mine and that is his reason, not of the reality of Bedirxan alphabet. Why do Kurds not accept the Persian or another alphabet? Then, why should we Zazas acccept the alphabet of another language; although it is a related language? What is bindig, the quality or quantitiy? How many people followed Atatürk or why there are more Kurdish village protectors than Kurdish guerilleros? Nobody denies the activities of Vate but your are denying ours; just because of that we don't make advertisment and working linguistically with academics and also with our authors. Do you have any statistics about that who is following whom how much? Who is forcing, when s/he is coming not with scientific but militarist based poltical arguments? Did you read any of my articles or books I worked within? To zıwanê ma rê se kerd? Bia, ma ki bıvênime ke pê to şa bime. Eke ked u emegê to Zazaki rê çıniyo, zaf veng mevece, to rê zehmet... --Asmêno Bêwayir (mesac) 16:12, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

I know what i am talking about and i know who you are, dont worry ;) but its clear that you just talk aboout politics. So, i dont need to waste my time with such stuffs. But, you keep to give wrong informations to people. You have said, Bedirxan has no research on Zazaki. Read below what Neribij wrote. Its a clear proof for you. If you dont know, please dont give wrong informations to people.—Gomada^peyam 18:30, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

Merheba ez wazeno tena naye vajî, alfabeya Celadet Bedirxanî û alfabeya bînî mîyan de hetê ilmî ra zaf ferq çin o. Tena "i-î (> ı-i)" de îşaretî bedelîyenî. Seba "ğ" zî ẍ esta. Û na alfabe lîteraturê dimilkî de zaf yena gurênayîş. La esil çîyo ke ez vajo sewbîna yo. Ez wazeno tayê malumatanê şaşan serrast bikerî. Celadet Bedirxan dimilkî parçeyê ziwanê kurdkî qebul kerdo (Nuşteyê ci ra: "Zarê dimiilî: Ev zar zimanê kurdén dumilî an zaza ne. Kurdén dumilî di welatê jorîn di rojavayê wî welatî de rûniştî ne." Hawar, 23). Û dimilkî ser o xeabtê ey zî estê. Sey nimûnyî:
1) Usman Efendîyo Babij, Bîyîşa Pêxamberî, bi kurdîya dumulî zaravayê Sêwregê, Kitabxana Hawarê, Şam 1933. No kitab hetê Celadet Bedirxanî ra weşanîyayo û C.Bedirxanî bi çend nusxayan dayo têver û bin de ferqê nusxeyan sey cêrnotî nuşto.
2) Celadet Bedirxan, “Zarê Dumilî û Mewlûda 'Usman Efendî” Hawar, hejmar: 23, 25 tîrmeh (temmuz) 1933. C.Bedirxan na meqaelya xo de hem dimilkî ser o hem zî Mewlidê dimilî ser o nuşto. Hem ferqê Dimilî (Zazakî)-Kurmancî hem zî ferqê fekanê Sêwrege û Palî dayo têver, bedelîyayîşê vengan ra nimûneyî dayî. Peynîyê nuşteyê xo de nê fekan ra di metnî zî neşr kerdê. No nuşte, “Hêvî, Kovara Çandîya Giştî, Hejmar 2/Gulan 1984, rîpel 77-85” de bi herfanê latinî reyna weşanîyaya.
3) Sewbîna tayê metnê folklorîkî zî arêdayî:
- Celadet Bedirxan, "Xumxumê" (Vate, sayı:30, s.56)
- Celadet Bedirxan, "Lwî û Kerg", Çira, Kovara Kulturî, Hejmar 4, Stockholm, Kanûna Pêşîn 1995, r. 45-46” de weşanîyayo.
As a result, Celadet Bedirxan did do researches on Zazaki and he classifies Zazaki as Kurdish. This is of utmost importance: The Berdirxan alphabet is used by the majority of Zaza writers and is predominant in the media. I think that one can consider Belekvor's proposal about the co-existence of two alphabets. Neribij (mesac) 16:58, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

As a writer of Zazaki Wikipedia, according to me Karber:Xosere should be blocked.Because he is really abuses his sysop. Ackdeals (mesac) 17:22, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

@Ackdeals; You should be blocked! Why did you insult User:Azadi?—Gomada^peyam 18:30, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

Most of all users misunderstand the issue. This vandalism by Karber:Xosere consisted of his tagging to some stubs and improper deletion. The user Karber:Xosere persistently tagged {{deletinon|stub}} (some users who know Criteria for speedy deletion guarded articles against his POV-pushing destructive action) and finally deleted in a manner inconsistent with policy Criteria for speedy deletion. Yesterday Karber:Mirzali undeleted all of them. The vandalism Karber:Xosere which I mentioned, wasn't caused by "alphabet dispute" between traditional alphabet and Kurdish Bedr Khan alphabet. Takabeg (mesac) 21:31, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

Edit war by Xosere

He doesn't stop with edit war ([36]), after he has started today with vandalism ([37]). Mirzali (mesac)

Wikidata phase 2 (infoboxes) coming to this Wikipedia

Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this. If you understand German better than English you can have a look at the announcement on de:Wikipedia:Kurier.

A while ago the first phase of Wikidata was enabled on this Wikipedia. This means you are getting the language links in each article from Wikidata. It is soon time to enable the second phase of Wikidata (infoboxes) here. We have already done this on the [first 11 Wikipedias] (it, he, hu, ru, tr, uk, uz, hr, bs, sr, sh) and things are looking good. The next step is English Wikipedia. This is planned for April 8. If everything works out fine we will deploy on all remaining Wikipedias on April 10. I will update this part of the FAQ if there are any issues forcing us to change this date. I will also sent another note to this village pump once the deployment is finished.

What will happen once we have phase 2 enabled here? Once it is enabled in a few days you will be able to make use of the structured data that is available on Wikidata in your articles/infoboxes. It includes things like the symbol for a chemical element, the ISBN for a book or the top level domain of a country. (None of this will happen automatically. Someone will have to change the article or infobox template for this to happen!)

How will this work? There are two ways to access the data:

• Use a parser function like {{#property:p169}} in the wiki text of the article on Yahoo!. This will return “Marissa Mayer” as she is the chief executive officer of the company.
• For more complicated things you can use Lua. The documentation for this is here.

We are working on expanding the parser function so you can for example use {{#property:chief executive officer}} instead of {{#property:p169}}. The complete plan for this is here.

Where can I test this? You can already test it on test2.

Where can I find more information and ask questions? We have collected the main questions in an FAQ for this deployment. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

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Ackdeals' personal attack

User:Ackdeals abused No personal attacks, Civility and Assume good faith. Ackdeals insulted User:Azadi and admin Xosere. Therefore if he will keep it, i hope the necessary action will be taken. Thanks.—Gomada^peyam 18:41, 6 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

Keso ke bêaqılo muhatabé mı qet nébeno Gomada.Aqıle to ji qet çıniyo,mezgé to vengo.Mezgé to de tena waş esto. Ackdeals (mesac) 11:47, 7 Nisane 2013 (UTC)

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Hello!

There is a new request for comment on Meta-Wiki concerning the removal of administrative rights from long-term inactive Wikimedians. Generally, this proposal from stewards would apply to wikis without an administrators' review process.

We are also compiling a list of projects with procedures for removing inactive administrators on the talk page of the request for comment. Feel free to add your project(s) to the list if you have a policy on administrator inactivity.

All input is appreciated. The discussion may close as soon as 21 May 2013 (2013-05-21), but this will be extended if needed.

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